Agree. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. I agree 100%. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and David Ajala Dish and Discuss Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. You know, like a psychotic murderer? I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Good for Mary! I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. What a surprise. Sisko on the other hand. Maybe sociological issues? Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. Its her, Adira, Stamets, and Reno who are the really hard science people. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. Make it make sense! CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . But admittedly, its pretty close. She is relatable and human and wonderful. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. It inspired her to switch careers. Star Trek Discovery boss explains surprise season 4 exit - Digital Spy And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Did they write Tilly off of the series? : r/StarTrekDiscovery - reddit The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. Theyre losers, pure and simple. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! It just happened. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. But it looks like TG47 answered your question! Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. Gotta side with Sascha here. And Tilly is the Trekkie. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. What? Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. lol ;). The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. Star Trek: Why Tilly & Burnham Are Discovery's Best Friendship It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Thats just a matter of preference. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. That is not anything to diss. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. All are different. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Episodes will be. [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Book is Han Solo. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. For your own good, please seek help. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. ;). Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. Im a human being, you know? You are always very insightful. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. Shes supposed to set the example. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). So I was also just very excited for the fans. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Too nervous and anxious. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. Its so brutal. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. This week's episode raised concerns. I will have to go check it out. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. It is not OK to be overweight. The doctor was usually the therapist. That promise was. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Mary Wiseman Talks Curvy Killy On 'Star Trek: Discovery'; Kate Mulgrew Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? And thats a healthy outlook. Is Tilly Pregnant in Real Life? Star Trek Cast's Weight Gain Story . Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. Yes! We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. Its gotten very stale now. ;). Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? Yes, The Expanse. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. Just blows my mind. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. I dont think Tilly is ruined. Even though she's still in the final season of Starfleet Aacademy studies She was assigned to the USS Discovery to get some practical experience. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? By existing? If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. Why is that a command level position? He was in the Travis Mayweather category. That is definitely not a true statement. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. And the only family she has is on that ship. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. Just mentioning few of their values. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Sorry TM, its MY fault! No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Thats not a leader. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. It seems like people like her say: this is me. I did, though. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. Did Star Trek: Discovery Just Lay The Groundwork For A New Spinoff? Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. That could explain the weight gain. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. He also has emotional intelligence. I tried watching Star Trek Discovery but can't anymore. I find it to be But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. Therefore, I love her. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. advantage. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Thats undeniable. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back., I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. Mary Wiseman Net Worth The net worth of Mary Wiseman has been estimated at $1 million. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. I found him quite annoying, myself. For people who dont know, it had to do with Voyager leading a fleet of ships going back to the Delta Quadrant a few years after Voyager arrived home. Everyone has their gifts. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here.
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